SU-30's Cobra Maneuvers - A Treat for PAF Shaheen
By: Qasim Al-Yaldram
The disparity between the IAF and PAF has always been in numbers , since there inceptions. But the technological edge, as most people know, have always been PAF Shaheen's school of specialism. In 1965, PAF fighter pilot was interviewed upon which he said "They are falling like birds." For detail view click the following http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c. That was the state of readiness our PAF has ever been since.
India has been trying hard to cover the vacuum that PAF Shaheen legacy makers left. And to some extent they have been quite successful in acquiring the Mirage2000s (French) and recently Russian state of the art roll out SU-30 MKI. The aircraft has impressed many airforces around the globe including, Indonesia, Malaysia, Venezuela, China and India in particular. Recently, Indian Airforce has been able to couple SU-30MKI aircrafts with there own indigenously developed and Israeli acquired avionics, making it a lethal fighter plane then ever before.
However, the game is not over yet!!! The will to remain intact in the war, only decides a 'Victor'. SU-30MKI is equipped with some most advance Actice ESA RADAR system Phazotron, which can track upto 15 air targets including cruise missiles and helicopters. SU-30MKI can perform complex air combat maneuvers like Pugachev's Cobra, Cobra Turns and Kulbits. And above all, the best part of the parcel is, SU-30MKI has Thrust Vectoring capability which may seem, flawless.
Even said and agreed with the technological beauty of this plane. Yet, war is not all about technology and numerical disparity. It is the way how good, one can exploit the weakness of its adversary. SU-30MKI was designed for air superiority missions including air interception and ground attack capabilities. Its air maneuverability is improved by installing canards in the front. Yet it remains a heavy plane when in the air. Thrust vector may sound amazing, but the fact is, the true potential of thrust vectoring capability during a dogfight still remain a question of doubt as of today.
The thrust vectoring in SU-30MKI forms an introverted V shaped thrust, which does not pitch the aircraft as needed, in certain air combat maneuvers e.g. doing scissor. And very unlike in F-22 Raptor which has two dimensional pitched thrust. Therefore, when the thrust vectoring is implied, it creates massive drag for such iron mass in the air, consequently, SU-30MKI is unable to sustain its height instead, it starts sinking down. And before, SU-30MKI has completed its Cobra maneuver, the pilot may be looking for ejection button, as dozen of bullets have already been drilled in to its plane by an adversary.
SU-30MKI aircraft implies two Saturn Al-31FP turbofans, which gives good thrust to the aircraft. Yet, the quality of these engines due to Russian origin still remain highly susceptible as compare to RD-93(Advance version of Russian RD-33), Pratt & Whitney or even Rolls Royce. In case of any disruption of the engines, Indians Airforce has no other choice but to send the engines back to Russia to be fixed, rather repairing them at home.
The ability of any aircraft, is exhibited as soon as it can be airborne in real time situation. SU-3MKI needs one minute spacing to take-off. Where as PAF Shaheen has been able to reduce the airborne time of A-5 aircrafts to less then one minute, which are considered to be oldest aircrafts serving today. One minute spacing means, a window of time span for PAF Shaheen to attack and destroy the rest of the SU-30MKI planes getting ready for taxi.
Last but not the least, the man behind the weapon really matters. In some of the recent air exercises held by Indian and US Airforces together like Red Flag 2008. It was found that pilots of SU-30MKIs had less then 100 flying hours, altogether. Whereas PAF Shaheen are far more superior in terms of flying hours and quality of awareness towards the practicality of technology during the war. However, its not far when SU-30MKI pilots would enhance there flying hours, excavate the true potential of this aircraft and use it for there advantage.
The world is undergoing global force-repositioning phase, where every strong nation is getting ready for offensive. It is imperative that air war doctorine of PAF Shaheen should be revised and should put on offensive footing rather then ground support and air interception missions. PAF Shaheen are second to none even now. But much more work has yet to be done by fast forwarding the JF-17 induction and J-10 procurements. PAF Shaheen has to re-establish there objectivity in terms of Pakistan's vision of calling itself "FORT OF ISLAM". PAF Shaheen has to think out of geographic boundaries and have to start working on air superiority and surgical strikes mission in India and in middle eastern fronts.
Pakistan ka matlub kia La illaha lllAllah!!!
The disparity between the IAF and PAF has always been in numbers , since there inceptions. But the technological edge, as most people know, have always been PAF Shaheen's school of specialism. In 1965, PAF fighter pilot was interviewed upon which he said "They are falling like birds." For detail view click the following http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFHlzP69n9c. That was the state of readiness our PAF has ever been since.
India has been trying hard to cover the vacuum that PAF Shaheen legacy makers left. And to some extent they have been quite successful in acquiring the Mirage2000s (French) and recently Russian state of the art roll out SU-30 MKI. The aircraft has impressed many airforces around the globe including, Indonesia, Malaysia, Venezuela, China and India in particular. Recently, Indian Airforce has been able to couple SU-30MKI aircrafts with there own indigenously developed and Israeli acquired avionics, making it a lethal fighter plane then ever before.
However, the game is not over yet!!! The will to remain intact in the war, only decides a 'Victor'. SU-30MKI is equipped with some most advance Actice ESA RADAR system Phazotron, which can track upto 15 air targets including cruise missiles and helicopters. SU-30MKI can perform complex air combat maneuvers like Pugachev's Cobra, Cobra Turns and Kulbits. And above all, the best part of the parcel is, SU-30MKI has Thrust Vectoring capability which may seem, flawless.
Even said and agreed with the technological beauty of this plane. Yet, war is not all about technology and numerical disparity. It is the way how good, one can exploit the weakness of its adversary. SU-30MKI was designed for air superiority missions including air interception and ground attack capabilities. Its air maneuverability is improved by installing canards in the front. Yet it remains a heavy plane when in the air. Thrust vector may sound amazing, but the fact is, the true potential of thrust vectoring capability during a dogfight still remain a question of doubt as of today.
The thrust vectoring in SU-30MKI forms an introverted V shaped thrust, which does not pitch the aircraft as needed, in certain air combat maneuvers e.g. doing scissor. And very unlike in F-22 Raptor which has two dimensional pitched thrust. Therefore, when the thrust vectoring is implied, it creates massive drag for such iron mass in the air, consequently, SU-30MKI is unable to sustain its height instead, it starts sinking down. And before, SU-30MKI has completed its Cobra maneuver, the pilot may be looking for ejection button, as dozen of bullets have already been drilled in to its plane by an adversary.
SU-30MKI aircraft implies two Saturn Al-31FP turbofans, which gives good thrust to the aircraft. Yet, the quality of these engines due to Russian origin still remain highly susceptible as compare to RD-93(Advance version of Russian RD-33), Pratt & Whitney or even Rolls Royce. In case of any disruption of the engines, Indians Airforce has no other choice but to send the engines back to Russia to be fixed, rather repairing them at home.
The ability of any aircraft, is exhibited as soon as it can be airborne in real time situation. SU-3MKI needs one minute spacing to take-off. Where as PAF Shaheen has been able to reduce the airborne time of A-5 aircrafts to less then one minute, which are considered to be oldest aircrafts serving today. One minute spacing means, a window of time span for PAF Shaheen to attack and destroy the rest of the SU-30MKI planes getting ready for taxi.
Last but not the least, the man behind the weapon really matters. In some of the recent air exercises held by Indian and US Airforces together like Red Flag 2008. It was found that pilots of SU-30MKIs had less then 100 flying hours, altogether. Whereas PAF Shaheen are far more superior in terms of flying hours and quality of awareness towards the practicality of technology during the war. However, its not far when SU-30MKI pilots would enhance there flying hours, excavate the true potential of this aircraft and use it for there advantage.
The world is undergoing global force-repositioning phase, where every strong nation is getting ready for offensive. It is imperative that air war doctorine of PAF Shaheen should be revised and should put on offensive footing rather then ground support and air interception missions. PAF Shaheen are second to none even now. But much more work has yet to be done by fast forwarding the JF-17 induction and J-10 procurements. PAF Shaheen has to re-establish there objectivity in terms of Pakistan's vision of calling itself "FORT OF ISLAM". PAF Shaheen has to think out of geographic boundaries and have to start working on air superiority and surgical strikes mission in India and in middle eastern fronts.
Pakistan ka matlub kia La illaha lllAllah!!!
Bravo Qasim! Very nice article. May ALLAH bless us all with the best and ruin the evil plans of "Kaafireen" and "Munafiqeen".
ReplyDeleteAmeen Brother Siddiqui, Inshallah enemy will not have courage to see us in to our eyes , I have done bit of research on internet. No dought enemy is grater in numbers but Juzaba e Shaadat is our strength, Inshallah Pak Shaeen will repeat the history acording to their slogan "Jhaptna Pallatna, Pallat kay Jhapatna". Our Imman is to trust in Allah and when you fight on the Path of Allah, help comes from him as Allah zu Jal has promised in Quran. Pak Shaeen Zindabaad, Pakistan Paahindabaad.
ReplyDeleteDo u shag to this fantasizing? coz its haraam u know!
ReplyDeleteI FOUND it amusing when I heard a senior Indian Air Force officer say on TV that the PAF was behaving in an erratic manner because they did not have any answer to the Indian Air Force’s superiority in numbers. I may have fallen for this hype had I not been an eye-witness to one of the dogfights involving IAF and PAF on the last occasion these two adversaries clashed.
ReplyDeleteIt was the morning of December 4, 1971, at about 0730 hours, when I noticed two Indian Mig-21 fighters circling over our roof in the old part of Dacca, not far from the banks of the river Buriganga. Within a minute I saw a lone PAF Sabre F-86 coming towards them from the cantonment area.
One could easily see that the Mig-21 was much faster than the Sabre and in a moment it was behind the Sabre and fired a burst that missed. The Sabre immediately started climbing towards the morning sun at an angle of 70 degrees. The Mig-21 tried to do the same but because of its faster speed it came to the wrong angle and the Indian pilot may have found himself momentarily blinded, just as we were while watching the manoeuvres from the ground.
In a flash the Sabre was now behind the Mig-21 and began strafing it. The Mig-21 burst into flames, stunning us with some vivid pyrotechnics, as it were, which so closely resembled a scene from a Hollywood war movie. The Sabre then turned and fired at the second Mig-21, which was trying to leave the scene, and at once scored another hit, and this Mig-21 could be seen hurtling down, followed by multiple loud explosions.
I remember my father paying someone for a part of the fallen plane which, in fact, was brought to us in the afternoon. I also remember how we had to quietly bury this part in our backyard when we saw Indian forces entering Dacca on December 17, 1971.
The scene I have just described took place 37 years ago but has remained etched in my memory ever since. I salute that unknown Pakistani pilot who shot down two Mig-21s in a matter of minutes right before my eyes.
I could never know whether the PAF pilot survived the war or was taken to India as a POW. When I finally came over to Karachi through the International Committee of the Red Cross in 1975, the subject was not a popular one and nobody wanted to be reminded of the time when Dhaka was a part of Pakistan.
The past had, indeed, become another country. From what I had personally witnessed of the PAF’s performance and capability while in possession of just a handful of obsolete aircraft in 1971, I can safely say that the PAF today, with its present squadrons of F-16s and Mirages, will be more than a match for the IAF. The Indian Air Force will rue the day if they ever dared to go for the so-called ‘surgical strikes’ within the present borders of Pakistan.
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Well that's a nice story and truly a story for a Hollywood movie. PAF fighter shot two Mig-21s faster than tom cruise did in TOP GUN. You will always remain a dickhead. Thanks for setting an example for your brothers.
Deleteif you dickheads achieve that many kills, i like to know how did you guys manage to loose this war and surrender 90,000 soldiers india?
ReplyDeleteYou will never accept the power of IAF because you pakis are jealous of us.Waite for another 10-15 years we will be superpower and you will remain a third world country.And then what will happen, you and your mujjahidins will pray to god and nobody will come to save you.
ReplyDeleteYou are so cheap towards your country that american drones are fucking you day and night but still humble before superpower.
you think by naming your missiles with names who invaded india is going to work for you no not at all.............because your mujjahidins have tried to invade for 60 years nothing happened.puddian salwara pa ke tuhade demage v pudde ho gay khotteo.. !
Keep dreaming Simrat. You guys were struting around the globe as a "superpower" in the early 1960s when China humiliated you (so much for the superpower India). India needs to learn international manners. Why does India have a quarrel with almost each country in its neighbourhood?
ReplyDeleteare you a dick head or what? If you guys are so superior...how the hell were we able to kick your ass so hard in 1971? I mean we humiliated you when you had to had to surrender 90000 soldiers. If your airforce was so great how come you lost '71 like rats? Get real. IAF is and always was better. Dream on Pakis. Thats all you can do
ReplyDeleteoh oh oh, 1962 war forgotten by mighty indians. too good and brave a nation, only know how to finger small neighbouring countries. come and we teach u again how to fight sorry surrender sorry runaway sorry put ur pants down . ur neighbours r very small but still a pain in ur ass and fear that day once they all come together, ouch. where to run and where to hide.
DeleteUr Allah needs a f..ing from each of us Indians before u come to ur senses..
DeleteCome on Ishan....Opium eaters do hallucinate :)....every twenty years or so they will keep surrendering to India, then completely forget it think they are super heros until they get fucked again. This is the History of Pakistani's. Ohh yes I forgot to mention....Dole out some Aid to those beggars you can select a province for your Airforce target practise . But please dont insult PAF...they are shaheen's, paper fighters at thier best.
ReplyDeleteNO single Muslim in India hates pakistan and tyhats why there are riots like Gujrat so Mr so called Ahsan is prob using a muslim name.I f ur IAF is so much better as indian claims den why u didnt do any surgical strikes.The real fact about india is that just a little improvemnt in their ecnomic growth has made them a super power but just in their head.This nation has a habit of harrassing its neibours but only the week and small ones..they never threaten china of surgical strikes even knowing they have occupied n still occupying into their territories.Indian wud rather have peaceful talk wih china.y is that indian!Also y did ur Pm went to US in the middle of Kargil?
ReplyDeleteRemember every Muslim is like Captain sher khan frm kargil...a lion.
ReplyDeletecaptain sher khan ke hone ka bawajood fir kutto ki tarah bhag q aaye kargil se? do u have any answer..you are fucking blinds..hait to accept truth that you are looser..fuck u ..go fight with afghanistan and other countries of your sort..you are not a match to india
ReplyDeleteFORGOTTEN HISTORY MOTHER FUCKER, ONCE U HINDUS USED TO CHATOFY FEET OF MUSLIM RULERS. DONT WORRY HISTORY IS ABOUT TO REPEAT ITSELF AND U WILL COME TO KNOW VERY SOON. HINDU MENTALITY , SORRY TO SAY , ONLY FIGHT WITH THAT EN WHOSE RATIO IS 1 : 5. VERY WELL DONE AND BRAVO.
Deletejust get lost, useless fellows will make senseless comments,one thing i can say if u ppl having same su 30mki in ur PAF , then u ll praise that sukhoi, no matter even India got F-22 u pakis tries same thing. i have muslim friends they neva think like u ppl. waste of time to talk vd ur kind stupid idiotic people.
ReplyDeleteTwo things for the blog writer:
ReplyDelete1: Any things flying horizontal, in absence any external force to push it, falls. Thats Physics not Sukhoi.
2: Study some physics and some history. If they were so bad US wouldnt have setup annual Cope India, Cope Thunder and Cope Alaska execrises with them and if u had been so good with ur F-16s then they would have invited you Red Flags to learn some of ur tactics.
and if you hate US drums, then they participate in Exercise Indradhanush(with RAF typhoons), Exercise Garuda(with Armee d'air supposedly the best pilots in the world).
ReplyDeletePakistan Air Force pilots are the best in the world, no American, no NATO, No indian, no israeli comes anywhere near our standards. Please go and read chuck Yeager's statement about PAF pilots.
DeleteROFL .. Google "Sabre Killer" please ..
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oh my god very brave indians. they only know how to fight against any country once ratio is one en soldier against their 4. they only fought onceagainst CHINA and we made them surrender in less than 24 hrs- very brave i must say. INDIANS THANK OUR ELDERS THAT WE LEFT U SO EASILY , BECAUSE IF WE CONTINUED TODAY INDIA WOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF GREAT CHINA- DONT FORGET IT.
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